Dual Band Tier 2 DMR VHF/UHF Thread

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Dual Band Tier 2 DMR VHF/UHF Thread

Postby Novice » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:50 pm

Hello All,

I know that things have been a little quiet on the DMR front for past few months. I though I would put together a small mini thread on the new Tier-2 dual Band DMR radios that have been released. I have seen and touched a Retrevis RT-82 and seen the features and what the radio has to offer and seems with a quick test to work as expected.

There are a number of offerings which I believe to be a rather similar radios manufactured under different names. It must be stated that I have not used all these radios to compare them only the RT-82 but from a visual and feature front there are a strong level of similarity here.
I have no connection with any of these vendors below, so please look at what all parties are offering and make an informed decision before purchasing.

The TYT MD2017


Best Price/Cheapest - £177.00 from the Ham Goodies Website inc Programming cable inc Carriage
http://www.hamgoodies.co.uk/tyt2017-dmr

Ham DMR and Nevada £199.99
https://www.hamdmr.co.uk/collections/ha ... held-radio
Nevada http://www.nevadaradio.co.uk/amateur-ra ... yt-md-2017

Retevis RT82

Ebay from £167.39 – From outside of the EU (China), be aware of customs charges and warranty claims also if the radio listed contains the Programming Cable.

ML&S - £179.99 (£194.95) + Carriage, disc with Code plug. Unless you have a friend/club with the software and cable you will need the programming cable which makes this a bundled price £194.95 + £4.95 carriage. You will need a windows PC to programme.
https://www.hamradio.co.uk/digital-mode ... pc-741.php

Best Value for Features and Ready to-go

Moonraker-HT-500d

Moonraker have Moonraker-HT-500d-Digital-Dual-Band-Transceiver inc GPS
This is £199.99 + £7.99 carriage. The Moonraker radio includes the GPS option and benefits from a 2 year Warranty, the radio includes programming lead and arrives pre-programmed all UK analogue and DMR Repeaters.
http://www.moonraker.eu/popular-product ... ransceiver

Code Plug
Mainly for people who have an radio that has not been programmed or no cd drive in a laptop to load code plugs supplied on a discs, (very common with most laptops of the past 3+ years). The Chertsey Radio Club had an early release of the Retevis RT-82 and have a copy of a code Plug and a mini review via this link http://chertseyradioclub.blogspot.co.uk ... -here.html

If you have spotted cheaper option or I have made an error please let me know
Hope it is some help,
Ian

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Re: Dual Band Tier 2 DMR VHF/UHF Thread

Postby paulears » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:31 pm

I think you have to be in their drop-box list to be able to get the cqodeplug

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Re: Dual Band Tier 2 DMR VHF/UHF Thread

Postby slimgym » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:40 pm

There's this one too, which certainly seems too good to be true.

https://www.radioddity.com/radioddity-g ... cable.html

Some videos on YouTube look quite promising, if it arrives at the price, and if it doesn't stomp on the other time slot.

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Re: Dual Band Tier 2 DMR VHF/UHF Thread

Postby CW-2E0UCW » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:19 pm

Was surprised to hear that all the Moonraker radios are GPS and the ML&S radios aren't. They are the same radio and case - Moonraker just have their branding and model number added to the case and manual.

Apart from the trackball (which can be locked with the latest FW), the radio works well. I use the P1/P2 for left and right and bottom button for up/down. So essentially, one does not need to use the trackball.

Just to note that from all the ones with issues (antenna connectors breaking and PTT button coming off), they all seem to be the TYT which has a different case. Also with people using after market antennas which do not have a wide base thus allowing some movement which could be causing the problem. SMA/BNC adaptors are available from Moonraker, ML&S and eBay where the SMA side is larger and sits well to prevent movement.
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Re: Dual Band Tier 2 DMR VHF/UHF Thread

Postby Novice » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:16 pm

slimgym wrote:There's this one too, which certainly seems too good to be true.

https://www.radioddity.com/radioddity-g ... cable.html

Some videos on YouTube look quite promising, if it arrives at the price, and if it doesn't stomp on the other time slot.



That is very interesting, it appears to be a hybrid of the MD380 with Dual Band included and the Tier II option, they are very competitive in price terms at around £70+Vat+handling.

Many thanks
Ian

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Re: Dual Band Tier 2 DMR VHF/UHF Thread

Postby CW-2E0UCW » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:45 pm

Got a sample of the Radioditty GD-77 on it's way with DHL - ETA is Thursday PM.

I've done a basic code plug to cover my hotspot as well as analogue/digital simplex and repeaters.

I'll post my thoughts once I've got it up and running.
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Re: Dual Band Tier 2 DMR VHF/UHF Thread

Postby slimgym » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:57 pm

One flaw someone has exposed in the GD-77 is the apparent USB charger actually puts out 12v. It uses standard USB connectors so not one you'd want to leave laying around for someone to plug in to their expensive iPhone.

The CPS doesn't look too bad, although having a password to fully unlock it is novel.

Hoping the radio will come in to stock in Germany and avoid the shipping delay and HMRC roulette game in import duty.

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Re: Dual Band Tier 2 DMR VHF/UHF Thread

Postby paulears » Mon Aug 14, 2017 6:54 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8c7XEJ-ap4&feature=youtu.be

One arrived today - first impressions video!

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Re: Dual Band Tier 2 DMR VHF/UHF Thread

Postby CW-2E0UCW » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:35 pm

Paul,

I received mine on Thursday and having pre-written a code plug I thought I'd be able to test it.

First off, there's a proper 3 pin plug with the usb connector on it similar to a mobile phone plug that comes with a lead to plug in so that issue is solved.

I have CPS 1.1.2 which has the greyed out fields - your unlock suggestion did not work - what version CPS do you have?

I also have major issues - my local DMR repeater is in zone 5 of 6 - when selecting it, I get the prompt "zone 4 selected" - seems that there's something not in sync in the CPS or code plug. Then I managed to get to my hotspot zone - I could hear the audio but could not transmit.

Having written many code plugs for many radios, I was quiet put off and emailed Radioddity including sending them a copy of my code plug which has been passed on to the relevant people to review but still I can't use the radio.

As you said, a good radio for people on a budget but would help if it worked when loaded.
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Re: Dual Band Tier 2 DMR VHF/UHF Thread

Postby paulears » Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:45 am

Good news on the 3 pin plug - but it shouldn't be labelled as a USB connector when it doesn't meet the standard, and anyone blowing up another electrical device with it would have a decent case against the supplier if in the UK.

My radio came from Radioddity - with the 2 pin charger and adaptor.

My CPS, as supplied in the box is v1.1.2 - I used the code on 3 computers here and it works every time, XP, Vista and Windows 8

If it helps - the system I always use locally to check DMR is from our local wind farm, and the transmitter is about a mile away - they use a group ID of 901, with slot 1, cc1 The first time I programmed the radio, I got it wrong - somehow I had programmed 902 slot 2. Brain failure between rooms with cup of tea in the middle, and siting here with the retells and the GD-77, the 77 burst into life and the RT-82 did not - my wind farm also using slot 2 with 902, a pure mistake. My first attempt to put in both failed and the 77 refused to let me listen to the primary channel. Sounds like your problem? I then deleted the contents and re-instated them, and the only thing different was when I created the talk group ID I did that first, then set the channel info - I did this the other way around first time - programmed in the frequency and slots, then did the talk group, then went back and completed the channel?

I cannot see how this made a difference, but after this, it worked. I just assumed I'd ticked something, or entered something wrong and hadn't noticed. Second time around I got it right? Maybe not then?

Your other thing with the ordering - I too had something similar - but this ended up due to me forgetting to add those frequencies in one of the lists - they were still in the left column and not been moved across?

Does yours have that annoying distorted blip? Such a small point, but it shouldn't do it!


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